Listen in as we talk with VIN Foundation board member, Dr. Jan Bellows as he shares the story of his veterinary journey. From lessons learned in practice ownership, to a passion for improving his veterinary skills, this episode is full of relatable stories and great takeaways.
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Jan Bellows, DVM, DIPL, AVDC, ABVP
Dr. Jan Bellows is a distinguished veterinary dentist with a remarkable career spanning several decades. He completed his undergraduate studies at the University of Florida and earned his DVM from Auburn University in 1975. After an internship at The Animal Medical Center in New York City, Dr. Bellows established ALL PETS DENTAL in Weston, Florida, specializing in companion animal medicine, surgery, and dentistry. Bellows is board-certified in Canine and Feline Medicine (ABVP) and Veterinary Dentistry (AVDC). His leadership roles include serving as president of the American Veterinary Dental College and the Foundation for Veterinary Dentistry. He has authored five dental textbooks and frequently contributed to veterinary publications. As a respected expert, Dr. Bellows was instrumental in developing AAHA’s Small Animal Dental Guidelines. He has been a consultant for the Veterinary Information Network’s dental board since 1993. DVM360 announced Dr. Bellows as the national 2024 Dental Hero by DVM360 magazine. Outside of his professional life, Dr. Bellows is an avid marathon runner and enjoys spending time with his family and dogs in Florida and Colorado.
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Intro
Jan Bellows, DVM, DIPL, AVDC, ABVP: It used to be that everybody agreed with me that was veterinarians, but now the new students that are getting out, they’re not so enamored with veterinary medicine as I think the older ones were, and I think it has a lot to do with the debt. The circle comes around to the VIN Foundation. I found that VIN is the best part of veterinary medicine for just so many reasons. And finding out about the VIN Foundation on how we can help our veterinary community, because I mean, bottom line, all veterinarians, we’re all in this great boat and we need to help each other.
Jordan Benshea: That is veterinarian and VIN Foundation board member, Dr. Jan Bellows, and this is the VIN Foundation’s Veterinary Pulse Podcast. I’m Jordan Benshea, Executive Director of the VIN Foundation. Join me as I talk with veterinary colleagues about critical topics and share stories, stories that connect us as humans, as animals, as a veterinary community. This podcast is made possible by individuals like you who donate to the VIN Foundation. Thank you. All donations will be two, three, or four times matched through December 31st, 2024. If you want to support this podcast, please consider supporting the VIN Foundation. Please check the episode notes for bios, links, and information mentioned.
Meet Jan Bellows, DVM, DIPL, AVDC, ABVP
Jordan Benshea: Welcome, Jan. I’m excited to have this conversation with you.
Jan Bellows, DVM, DIPL, AVDC, ABVP: Thank you so much.
Jordan Benshea: Well, Jan is our most recent board member of the VIN Foundation, and I think it’s always a good idea to kind of give a peek behind the curtain of who are the amazing humans that are helping to support this organization, and their passion of how they got here, and also sharing stories because that’s how we connect.
Journey to Veterinary Medicine
Jordan Benshea: So Jan, let’s start with, share with us your journey to veterinary medicine. Did you have sort of this aha moment when you were five and you had an animal like a dog or a bunny or what was it that brought you here?
Jan Bellows, DVM, DIPL, AVDC, ABVP: What was it that brought me to veterinary medicine? Well, like a lot of veterinarians, I always knew I wanted to be a veterinarian. I mean, from as young, certainly under 10 years old. We lived in Massapequa Park in Long Island at the time and there was a forest right by our house. I would go to the forest almost every day and sit by the water and play with the fish and actually reach into the places that the fish hid and fascinated by the animals, looked under rocks and saw a bunch of salamanders, took frogs home. So I was very much into animals and then I got a job with a veterinarian that bred miniature schnauzers.
Jordan Benshea: So what age were you about that, when you got that job?
Jan Bellows, DVM, DIPL, AVDC, ABVP: Probably 12, 13 and my parents let me ride a bike for, it had to be four or five miles each way. It was in Farmingdale.
Jordan Benshea: Wow.
Jan Bellows, DVM, DIPL, AVDC, ABVP: I know, which was, I don’t think it would happen now, but it was always my passion, I cleaned cages. I knew that living, we moved to Florida back in 1968 when I was 18 years old, and getting into college was going to be hard because Florida didn’t have a veterinary school at the time. So I tried to maximize my opportunity trying to get into a veterinary school by just paying a lot of attention to school and becoming very active in organized pre-veterinary medicine there, becoming president of a veterinary club. I remember that in my interview, the poor interviewers, there were three of them. They go through hundreds of interviews and the always question was, why did you want to become a veterinarian? I had memorized this, and it was a good 10-15 minute speech. One of the interviewers said, “Stop, in three words, why do you want to become a veterinarian?”. I said, “because I really, really want to”, and the other interviewer said, “that’s four words, but we understand”, and it was perfect. I figured, “oh, well, I’m not going to get in”, but fortunately I got in, went to…
Jordan Benshea: So where did you attend to veterinary school?
Jan Bellows, DVM, DIPL, AVDC, ABVP: I went to Auburn and it was a fabulous experience. The little town of Auburn, Alabama is just so quaint and everybody is nice and they say hello to each other and the vegetables are great. I got married that year in 1971 and other than going to veterinary school I tell people it’s, I mean, well, no, I don’t think getting married, it’s the smartest thing that I ever did, was going to veterinary school because it’s just a phenomenal profession, I find.
Challenges and Changes in Veterinary Education
Jan Bellows, DVM, DIPL, AVDC, ABVP: Used to be that everybody agreed with me that was veterinarians, but now the new students that are getting out, they’re not so enamored with veterinary medicine as I think the older ones were. I think it has a lot to do with the debt, and the circle comes around to the VIN Foundation. I found that VIN is the best part of veterinary medicine for just so many reasons and finding out about the VIN Foundation. on how we can help our veterinary community because, I mean, bottom line, all veterinarians, we’re all in this great boat and we need to help each other. In the VIN Foundation we can actually help each other helping with student debt because when I got out of veterinary school I had $8,000 in debt. That was to me a lot at the time, and that was back in 1975. They gave me maybe a 1 or 2% interest rate and I think ten years to pay it off. Now students are coming out with $200,000-$300,000 of debt. I had one technician probably 7-8 years ago that didn’t want to go to veterinary school, really wanted to be a veterinarian, but wouldn’t want to because of the debt. I talked her into going into veterinary school. She went in, she’s out, she’s a surgeon now and everything’s fine. But it really scared them. I feel for the new veterinary students because they are just so saddled with this monthly payment that they have to make, and I know the VIN Foundation has different ways to help students mitigate the stress around the debt and different ways of paying off their debt.
Jordan Benshea: Yeah.
Starting and Running a Veterinary Practice
Jordan Benshea: So you came out of Auburn $8,000 in debt and married, and what was your first job out of veterinary school?
Jan Bellows, DVM, DIPL, AVDC, ABVP: Right after veterinary school, we went, I was really lucky to get an internship at the Animal Medical Center in New York City. My intern mates were great. The whole experience, I mean, you show up very early in the morning, you leave very late at night and you just learn so, so much. From there we had a daughter. That was back in 1976 and then moved back to Florida and opened up a, well, I worked for a veterinarian for a year and decided I didn’t want to work for a veterinarian. I wanted to do my own thing. So I opened up a shopping center practice in a place called Pembroke Pines, and that was for 23 years.
Jordan Benshea: So you started your own practice a year out of veterinary school?
Jan Bellows, DVM, DIPL, AVDC, ABVP: Yeah, I did. I did.
Jordan Benshea: Wow. Okay.
Jan Bellows, DVM, DIPL, AVDC, ABVP: It was great. It was a great experience. Had a very blue collared neighborhood. It taught me a lot. My father in law was a business executive and taught me so much about business. My dad was a pharmacist and my mom was a teacher and they knew nothing about business at all. So I didn’t get any business acumen, but my father in law was very instrumental in that. Over the years, we had two more children, so we have three now. Our family got so big, we needed to move from our little house in Pembroke Pines to a place called Weston. There was a area where they were building professional buildings. We inquired getting a property there and they didn’t want a veterinarian because dogs poop. So…
Jordan Benshea: Newsflash.
Jan Bellows, DVM, DIPL, AVDC, ABVP: Yeah, newsflash. So, with the help of the mayor at the time, we got approved. We’ve been in Weston now since 1999.
Jordan Benshea: So what did you do with that first practice? Did you still own it?
Jan Bellows, DVM, DIPL, AVDC, ABVP: No, it was a disaster. You kind of learn through your mistakes and the practice was very successful, and I sold it to some people because it was a shopping center practice. There was no real estate, we had a very high end clientele, but it was small. I couldn’t sell it to high end entrepreneurs. There were certainly no consolidators at that time. I wound up selling it to a veterinarian who made payments for three months, and that was it. I didn’t sue her or go for the payments.
Jordan Benshea: Oh, as in she owed more and she just didn’t pay you.
Jan Bellows, DVM, DIPL, AVDC, ABVP: She didn’t pay.
Jordan Benshea: Oh, wow.
Jan Bellows, DVM, DIPL, AVDC, ABVP: She said that she’ll send dental referrals to me in my new practice and, I just, that all fizzled. So the first practice, even though I thought it was great and I would sell for a year’s gross, I don’t think I made very much, no, I didn’t make very much. So I started this practice in Weston with virtually no clients, but it’s a great area.
Jordan Benshea: How far is Weston from where you were before?
Jan Bellows, DVM, DIPL, AVDC, ABVP: 13 miles.
Jordan Benshea: Oh, so you’re pretty close.
Jan Bellows, DVM, DIPL, AVDC, ABVP: Yeah.
Jordan Benshea: Okay.
Jan Bellows, DVM, DIPL, AVDC, ABVP: And it’s one mile from my house, which is really good.
Jordan Benshea: Oh, wow.
Jan Bellows, DVM, DIPL, AVDC, ABVP: Which is fabulous.
Specializing in Veterinary Dentistry
Jan Bellows, DVM, DIPL, AVDC, ABVP: In the meantime, I decided earlier in my practice career, and that’s why Pembroke Pines was probably not so good for me, was I wanted to be a specialist. I wanted to really dig in.
Jordan Benshea: What was driving that?
Jan Bellows, DVM, DIPL, AVDC, ABVP: What was really driving it was, the experience in veterinary school was just, you studied for a test, you crammed for it, you opened up your brain, put the stuff in for about an hour until the test was over and then it left. Then another microbiology, or internal medicine, or surgery, or radiology, and then you would just move on to the next one, and a whole bunch of large animal stuff that I knew I would never touch a large animal. It was just such a hurry up and wait experience that I wanted to understand what I was doing better. So I looked into the American Board of Veterinary Practitioners, ABVP, and they had a program that you study your old books, your Guyton Physiology and Tizard Immunology and your surgery books and then you got to take a exam. You had to put in some cases and it sounded like, okay, this is what I wanted to do. So I told my wife, “I’m going to study for a year or so and I’m going to take this test and become a specialist”. So she said, “okay, you can do that”. So I did, and in 1986, I became a canine and feline specialist at the ABVP. Then about a year later, a friend of mine called up and said, “there’s a dental wet lab in Vero Beach”, which is three hours away, “on a Sunday, you want to go?”. I said, “no, I want to watch football”, and he says, “no, no, no, we’ll go. I have a new VW, we’ll put the roof down and we’ll go”. I said, “nah, I’m good”. Because he owned a small practice too and he wanted to get into dentistry, so he talked me into going. This wet lab was given by a human dentist who also was a veterinarian and practiced both. On Monday, Wednesday, and Fridays, he did human dentistry. On Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturdays, he did veterinary work in two separate places. He was also a periodontist. It was just so incredible. So we…
Jordan Benshea: I’ve never heard of that.
Jan Bellows, DVM, DIPL, AVDC, ABVP: I know, it was so, so cool. He became a dentist first, then he went to veterinary school, and he was just so interesting. I came back and he took us to both practices. We did our cadaver specimens in his veterinary office and had lunch at his human dental office. The veterinary office wasn’t anything, wasn’t any big shakes, but the human dental office was beautiful. I came back from that weekend just being amazed on how almost all of my patients needed immediate dental care. That in the past I was just like a lot of veterinarians, you just wait until the teeth practically fall out and you put them under anesthesia and take the teeth out that have taken out. I just got deeper and deeper into dentistry and I was really fortunate because in my shopping center right next door, a human dentist was there and he wasn’t real busy. We befriended each other and he loved animals, so he taught me dentistry. I would go over, I said, “I got this cool case”, and we used to hand process X-rays rather than put them in the digital machine. He would sit back with me and just teach me. I bought the equipment, although, I started with a Dremel drill, which was all of $52 and no water. My technician had to drip the water. But at the time, they didn’t have a college of veterinary dentistry. This was back in 87, and I told my wife, I said, “boy, this would be really cool to become a specialist in this because there aren’t any”. So, I told her, “okay, I’m going to study”. There’s an academy of veterinary dentistry and you submit cases, they approve it, and you take a test. In 1987 or 88, I submitted and I passed the test to become an academy member. I said, “okay, I’m a specialist”, advertised to local veterinarians, “bring your animals that have problems, I certainly can take care of them”. There were probably about 20 or 30 of us that had passed that test around the country and then AVMA said, “oh, it’s great that you guys are calling yourself specialist, but you’re not a specialist because we had nothing to do with it”. AVMA says, “in order to be a specialist, like the surgeons or internal medicine, we have to approve it”, and we hadn’t, “if you want to be a specialist, you have to create a college”. So there were five founding fathers, I’m not one of them, of the college, of American Veterinary Dental College. I told my wife at that time, I said, “well, I got to submit more cases and I got to take another test”, so, that was another year of studying. I didn’t pass the first time. I ran out of time because at the time I passed the written test and I passed the slide test, but the practical test, they had to do 13 procedures and I was just, I spent too much time on each procedure. I just ran out of time. So I told my wife, “well, got to come back in a year and I got to practice all year round”. So on every Sunday I would go to the office and practice, which was great because I became a lot better and I went to some other people that passed the test. There are offices around the country and learn better techniques. So it was a great learning experience for me. Then in 1990, I became the 13th veterinary dentist that was certified. Now there are about 220 of them.
Jordan Benshea: Wow.
Jan Bellows, DVM, DIPL, AVDC, ABVP: Yeah.
Involvement in Veterinary Organizations
Jan Bellows, DVM, DIPL, AVDC, ABVP: It’s a very, very cool journey, and becoming involved in organized dentistry was, it was cool too, because probably 5-7 years into becoming a veterinary dentist I got a call from the president of the college who said, “we’d like you to be on the board”. I said, “nah, it’s not for me. I have my own little practice. I’m doing okay. And yeah, I’ve never been involved with such a thing”. She kept after me, and I said, “okay, I’ll go on the board”. I found that the people that were involved in organized dentistry, which is so giving and so pure and so everything good, that I was on the board for 4 or 5 years and I became chairman of the nomenclature committee and I did some credentialing and then worked my way up to a president of the college. I did that for, I think probably 2 years. Then when that was over, the Foundation of Veterinary Dentistry, similar to the VIN foundation. The Foundation of Veterinary Dentistry is an umbrella organization that oversees the annual conference that we put on in different places of the country that has close to 1500 people, vendors, and veterinarians, and technicians that we teach every year for 3 or 4 days. They also put out the Journal of Veterinary Dentistry and they also give grants for research and give grants for equipment to veterinary schools. So there’s a lot of good that organization does, and I was president of that until last year. I did that for 6 years. So It’s been a great journey, and I’m still working. I’m working one day a week. I see clients on one week and I do surgery the next week. Have a wonderful staff, and I work with a nurse anesthetist, which is great. The cat’s meow, so I don’t really have to worry that much about monitoring the anesthesia and making small little changes along the way. This is someone that’s actually certified in anesthesia, so we do a lot of noodling together to figure out what’s best for the patient and works well.
Jordan Benshea: So you sold your first practice to another veterinarian.
Jan Bellows, DVM, DIPL, AVDC, ABVP: Yes.
Jordan Benshea: Didn’t get fully paid for that. You start your second practice.
Jan Bellows, DVM, DIPL, AVDC, ABVP: Yes.
Jordan Benshea: 13 miles away.
Jan Bellows, DVM, DIPL, AVDC, ABVP: Right.
Jordan Benshea: When you start the second practice, you are already a…
Jan Bellows, DVM, DIPL, AVDC, ABVP: Yep.
Jordan Benshea: AVMA approved.
Jan Bellows, DVM, DIPL, AVDC, ABVP: Board certified.
Jordan Benshea: Board certified AVMA approved dental specialist. I would like to backtrack for just a moment. You mentioned with your first veterinary practice, you sold it and the veterinarian you sold it to paid, but only for the first few months. Was that the end of the sale or was there another resolution?
Jan Bellows, DVM, DIPL, AVDC, ABVP: After the veterinarian got all sorts of screwy, then we sold it to people that owned a pet store that employed a veterinarian. That was even more of a disaster than the first disaster. It just did not work down and they closed it and it was just a lose, lose all the way around. It was quite the education experience because I agreed not to advertise where I’d be as part of a non-compete at the time, these non-compete things, and I agreed not to advertise nor tell any of my patients in Pembroke Pines where I was moving. So I started really from scratch. If I had to do it all over again, I would have never agreed to that. I probably would have just shut down that practice and then just took all the clients or tell the clients that, “hey, I’m leaving, we’re going 13 miles away, if you still want to come, here’s where I’ll be. Here’s our office hours. Love to see you”.
Jordan Benshea: What happened with the second practice?
Jan Bellows, DVM, DIPL, AVDC, ABVP: I practiced in the second practice to 2018 aggressively. I mean, to the point that I was working 6 days a week and my wife says, “would you consider taking her off a Saturday?”, and I said, “no, my clients really need me on Saturday”. She said, “why don’t you try it?”, so I took off, as I started taking off Saturdays and no one missed me. I mean, it was, we had three veterinarians and I was not missed at all. So I started working 5 days a week and that, I’m an avid runner and at the dental meeting every year I meet with one of my friends, who is a veterinary dentist in Illinois, and we discuss our children and our practices and solve the problems of the world inside of about 2 hours. He told me one of the consolidators was offering him a very high multiple profits on what his practice took in. At the time, if you got 1x what your gross was for a practice sale, that was great. I couldn’t believe what he was getting, so he gave me the person that he was dealing with, and I said, “okay, I’ll give this person on the call”. I had no real great reason to sell, but I was going to, my son’s a veterinarian, I was going to grant a practice to him. The prices that they were giving was just an offer very difficult to refuse. They did their due diligence and I’m not actually, I did my due diligence. I contacted 8 other consolidators, gave them all my financials, and I reviewed each one, one by one by one by one, and the positives and negatives. Each one has a little bit different deal. Some of them will give you stock, some of them will buy part of them and in the end, that’s what happened to me. I’m a junior partner, so I sold 60%, I still own 40%, and my only regret is that I didn’t do it sooner. It’s so amazing how much they take care of your problems, the consolidators. Before I sold, I was lamenting on how much time I spent on not doing what I really love, which is dentistry, which is taking care of my patients, taking care of my clients, and how much time I was spending just taking care of my, at the time, 24-25 staff and the other two veterinarians that I employed. And just the whole daily drama, the consolidators take care of virtually all of that, and you become an employee, which is okay. I could see why that’s the future of our profession because then the veterinarians can really practice veterinary medicine.
Jordan Benshea: So you’ve been now in that situation since 2018, right?
Jan Bellows, DVM, DIPL, AVDC, ABVP: Yeah, and I was obligated to stick around for 3 years, but I really like it so.
Jordan Benshea: And that allows you the freedom.
Jan Bellows, DVM, DIPL, AVDC, ABVP: Yeah, sure.
Jordan Benshea: Yeah, but you still get to do the stuff you love.
Jan Bellows, DVM, DIPL, AVDC, ABVP: Yep, and I didn’t sell the real estate, which was nice. So , that’ll work into part of my wife and my, my retirement is the rent that they pay every month.
Reflections and Advice
Jordan Benshea: You mentioned VIN earlier. Are there other resources that you’ve found have been really helpful for you throughout your career, or communities that you feel like you’ve leaned on, or areas that you find there’s a big hole that you think really needs help?
Jan Bellows, DVM, DIPL, AVDC, ABVP: The other areas that I got to enjoy is teaching. Unfortunately the veterinary school is in Gainesville around here, which is 5 hours away, so I don’t teach there. But what I really enjoy doing is giving wet labs at my office because in most veterinary schools, the veterinary students get literally a 1,000 hours on the physiology and the care of a fractured limb. But in veterinary school, there is virtually, maybe 20 hours, maybe 30 on how to take care of teeth in dogs and cats. If you have a dog that comes in with a fractured leg, you’re going to refer it in many places. But if you have a dog that has, or a cat that has dental problems, you’re going to take care of it, unless there’s something that you want to refer. So, dentistry is a day one thing, and so I really like giving wet labs at my office where we teach veterinarians how to extract teeth and how to read radiographs and how to make dental decisions. Then I also really enjoy working doing consulting with some of the largest companies, the Virbac and Dechra and PetLab and NeutraMax. The people there certainly want to get their best product out, but they also want to get the information out to veterinarians, so I enjoy that. I enjoy meetings that a lot, some of these big drug companies get veterinary dentists together to talk about our inadequacy, where we think pharma needs to step in and help us, and also with instrument suppliers, there’s a lot of instrumentation. So I feel I helped them and enjoy doing it.
Jordan Benshea: Are there any other things that you want to share about your story or anything that you want our audience to know, or if you could talk to current veterinarians?
Jan Bellows, DVM, DIPL, AVDC, ABVP: Yeah, so tips having to do with VIN. I find when I give lectures and I ask veterinarians if they have posted on the VIN boards, most of them will say no, they’re afraid to. I have found the VIN boards, one of them, one of the best things because you get specialists to opine on whatever your situation is. Whether it’s an endocrinology problem or a cardiology problem, or a surgery problem, I mean, really caring, wonderful experts on the dental boards. There are nine of us that just take our time and read your radiographs and just try to help. One thing Paul said a long time ago, and he had all these specialists in for a conference in Denver, he opined that the specialist on VIN just love to share. They love the dental community, they love their community, and they just want veterinarians to get better, and that’s why they do it. Paul said, “you can’t force somebody to do it, they just need to do it”, and I have found Paul to be one of the most giving individuals I’ve ever met.
Jordan Benshea: Agreed.
Jan Bellows, DVM, DIPL, AVDC, ABVP: Just somebody that has his heart so much in the right place for the veterinary community, and then as a gift for all of us.
Jordan Benshea: Yeah, it really is. It’s a huge gift to the community. It’s a huge gift to pet owners. It’s a huge gift to the profession and for the health of our animals.
Jan Bellows, DVM, DIPL, AVDC, ABVP: Yeah, and what people don’t realize is that there is a VIN foundation and the foundation, if you look on the website, it is deep how it helps students understand their debt, how it helps veterinarians that are having emotional problems or problems with substance abuse to get help, and then we’ll help them get help. So again, all part of the community. Obviously all this takes some fundraising and part of the foundation is for veterinarians to give back, the ones that just love what they do to go ahead and set part of their state aside for other veterinarians, because bottom line is that we became veterinarians because we want to help animals. We need doctors, really great doctors that aren’t loaded with debt and loaded with emotional problems to take care of these animals and if the VIN Foundation can help it, and if they can donate a little money to make that happen, it’s a good thing.
Jordan Benshea: Well, thank you. Yeah, we don’t usually plug that on this podcast, but we appreciate you sharing that absolutely. Especially right now during, right now this is year end giving, and we do have a two, three, four times match through the end of the year. If you feel like giving, we have lots of ways that you can do that. We’ll put a link in the episode notes.
Outro
Jordan Benshea: Jan, thank you so much for sharing your story. I think there’s a lot of great lessons here and about passion and what I really hear is really a passion for learning.
Jan Bellows, DVM, DIPL, AVDC, ABVP: Yeah. That’s good, and it keeps on going. Yeah. I mean, I still think that being a veterinarian is the greatest job ever.
Jordan Benshea: That’s wonderful. Yeah, and I think you’ve shared some of those reasons and it doesn’t mean it was all highs, right? There was definitely some ups and downs and learning a lot of lessons and the mistakes are how we all learn, right?
Jan Bellows, DVM, DIPL, AVDC, ABVP: Exactly. Good. My pleasure.
Jordan Benshea: Thank you so much, Jan, for your time and for sharing your story with our audience.
Jan Bellows, DVM, DIPL, AVDC, ABVP: My pleasure.
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